Tippman vs everything else

[WOLLFFY]

Second that, lets go north!

[kloki1971]

Again, I have to say that I agree... Tippmans are ideal for new players, and they are better than spyders. They are a bit too milsim for me though...

[xridgelinerx]

I'll probably get flamed for reviving an ancient thread, but have the members of the "its too heavy" gang seen or fired the new X-7 Phenom. Tippman is changing it's product line. Slowly, but this is a giant step in the right direction. Check one out.

[skooby421]

i would have to agree that at the end of the day that tippmanns are heavy. i have a alpha black and i love it it has never let me down. i have tried other tippmanns and they have never let me down.i think they r good guns to have.

[chongballa]

tippmanns are cool, but ill take my cocker based guns anyday

[danath 34]

Here are my thoughts on Tippmanns.

They are decent guns for beginners. I will give them one thing. Reliability. I have seen 98s with paint and grease oozing out of every crack and they still shot. They will shoot and shoot all day long.

Here are the things I dont like about them:

1) Too heavy- Yes, I know, big deal, its a little heavy, lift weights, right? Well that still does not take away the fact that they are likely the heaviest guns out there. No matter how strong you are, you will still snap shoot better with a lighter gun. And yes the x7 phenom does seem to be alot lighter. I must say, I am impressed with the phenom. First tippmann product I actually like.

1.5) This is not really a whole-nother point, as it is basically the same as point number 1. They are way too big. If you are playing a game where gun hits do not count, congrats, you have a shield to use. But if you are playing where gun hits count, you are screwed. These guns are big, and that football on top is like a target...

2) They are gas HOGS! These things are like the SUV's of the paintball world. For areas like new mexico when 99% of paintball is played at outlaw fields, efficiency is a big deal. Not everyone has a scuba tank/co2 tank to bring to the field. You cant always just fill up whenever you want, alot of the time you can only shoot as much as the air you brought with you. And when you add on the other air accessories like the response trigger and the cyclone feed, it makes it worse.

3) They are money pits. They are way too costly for what they are. If they were a bit cheaper, I would definitely pick up at least a 98 to loan out to people. But 150+$ for a beginners gun? Please. Get an SP-1. And when you add in the price of all of the upgrades people put into these things to make them shoot faster/more efficiently/smoother, you could get a decent high end marker which will outperform any tippmann.

4) Cyclone feed = crap. You really oughta get the squishy paddles and aluminum ratchet to have a decent cyclone feed. Every time I play with someone running a cyclone feed, I see them wiping out broken paint at least once. And the plastic ratchet is definitely prone to breaking. I would much rather get a force fed hopper. It would be faster, more gentle on paint, and you would save on gas efficiency.

5) Way over-estimated performance. Claims of 30bps with an e-grip and stuff like that. I have seen ONE tippmann shoot what seemed like 30bps, and it was like spray paint, not paintballs.
Also there is the tippmann straight-line or whatever their rifled barrel is (i.e. not the flatline- that actually works). Rifled barrels for paintball are bullshit. Punkworks on TechPB has taken high speed video footage of "rifled" paintball barrels being used, and it is shown very clearly that no extra spin is put on the paintball over a regular, non rifled barrel.

6) too much proprietary stuff. You have to get tippmann threaded barrels, tippmann feednecks, you cant change the ASA's, etc. etc. I know spyder does this as well, but I think the problem is a little worse with Tippmann.

I personally would take a spyder over a tippmann any day. It is more efficient, smaller, lighter, and just as reliable. People say spyder aren't reliable, but I have owned plenty, and all you really have to replace if anything ever goes wrong is an oring. I cant tell you how many "broken" Spyders can be fixed by swapping out an o-ring. And its not like orings go bad often. With proper maintenance, they will last a long time. My spyder has yet to blow an oring. Problem is nobody actually takes apart their gun, cleans it all out, and puts fresh oring oil on the rings. Lack of maintenance doesn't make the gun un-reliable...


But when it all comes down to it, I will take my Timmy over both a spyder or a tippmann any day. It is faster, lighter, smaller, more efficient, has better technology, has more modes, and nearly-universal threading (autococker).

[chongballa]

leave your timmi or spyder out in the rain for a week and see if it still shoots. ive personally seen this and the tippmann shot like it just came out of the box (caked in mud)

[danath 34]

well I take care of my guns, because they will only perform as well as they are taken care of (including tippmanns) so why would you leave it out in the rain? But I guess if your plan is to leave your gun in the rain, then Tippmann by all means.

But I think a spyder would still shoot just like a tippmann would, as long as it is a mech spyder. If it has a board, of course not. But a mech should do fine. I have played with my electro spyder in the rain, snow, sleet, every weather imaginable and it performed flawlessly without a single hiccup.

[chongballa]

it was one of our rental guns back in the old pbnm days. it was a total accident and when i found it i thought i was going to have to replace all the seals and stuff. it worked though like it was new

[durdan988]

I've personally have used extensively a cocker trilogy and am currently using an x7. I would use my x7 over my cocker any day. I've had so many issues with my cocker, but its accurate as hell. a fair amount of the issues were u.s.e.r. errors, but more than enough of them were gun malfunctions to annoy me. As opposed to my x7, ive had nothing but fun with that wonderful piece of technology.